In this episode of the podcast UNBOTALKS: Unfiltered Conversations, Klaudia Witczak, founder of Smart Aging Clinic, welcomes Witold Pyrkosz, the creator of the Manual Therapy Studio and Training Academy Pan Kobido.

The conversation delves into the art of communicating with the body through touch, specifically focusing on the unique Kobido Up facial massage and the messages that tissues convey during treatment. It explores the importance of respecting the body and its tissues, the concept of "good pain" that helps release traumas, and the impact of introducing foreign substances like Botox, fillers, or lifting threads—substances that can remain "locked" in the tissues for years.

Witold highlights his aversion to phrases like "anti-aging," "fighting against time," and "fighting wrinkles." The philosophy of Pan Kobido Studio aligns closely with that of Smart Aging Clinic, where the focus is on skin regeneration using only biocompatible solutions. Be sure to watch and listen!